The AO Platform, My Analysis

928mac;10690 wrote: I am still trying to understand why you bring that up now and how you did it with only 2 post

Now
Lets make something clear if you all want to keep posting on here.
If you have less then a 50-100 post its obvious that you do not spend a lot of time here.
To gain credibility on any forum its best to hang out and ask a few questions relating to the thread

If you come here and slam us with 2 post to your name you wont make many more.

I will not tolerate any rudeness.
You have been warned.

Agreed. I guess a little election drama was all that was needed to attract the RL crowd to participate in the OC forums.

928mac;10690 wrote: I am still trying to understand why you bring that up now and how you did it with only 2 post

Now
Lets make something clear if you all want to keep posting on here.
If you have less then a 50-100 post its obvious that you do not spend a lot of time here.
To gain credibility on any forum its best to hang out and ask a few questions relating to the thread

If you come here and slam us with 2 post to your name you wont make many more.

I will not tolerate any rudeness.
You have been warned.

Oh I see how it works here. If someone brings up facts, they are ignored and the poster is threatened. Why don't you address the issues I brought up? Oh, I see, you are one of those "more of the same" people. Please explain why it is OK that this website hasn't been updated properly in many years. The 928 OC isn't a club where everyone lives in the same town and can get together for a meeting once a month. It's a relatively small number of people spread across the globe. These people require some sort of interaction on the WWW in order for the club to survive and grow. There has been one President for 9 years. This President hosted the OC website on their own server and is a web guy in his daily life. He keeps preaching that things are fine and dandy and that he's chosen his predecessor ( James Morrison ) in order to carry on the practices of his Presidency. I find that problematic. Please explain to me how I'm way off base.

Andrew Olson;10682 wrote: Stan,
I've never suggested the OC be a subset of RL. I think both can and should exist. The only thing I suggested was that we promote the OC on RL as it has the largest single group of 928 owners in one area. I think DR was the one who suggested the irrelevance of this place and the website.

As I have previously stated Rennlist moderator Randy was adamantly opposed to 928 OC business being discussed there. Many years ago the 928 OC board discussed this, and decided that we would all be members of Rennlist to show our support and would *not* post 928 OC business there, except the annual nomination and election announcements.

I don't disagree that reaching out to 928ers elsewhere is good marketing, but you must also be aware of whether it is acceptable.

The effort needed to do this has been lacking, due to the lack of volunteer help.

Andrew Olson;10682 wrote: You suggest that I am out of touch with the benefits the club offers. Why is that? Shouldn't the club, especially given its mission to help me get the most out of my 928, give some level of active communication to its members? Saying that it's posted on a website that frankly very few go to, is like saying you put up a billboard in the middle of the Arizona dessert. Sure it's there but is anyone going to read it?

As stated Andrew, the forums have over 50% of the members watching, so any postings there are viewed by the members as they desire. I can't make you go to the forums, that is true, but relying on random posts on Rennlists to reach members is also not going to work. Direct email may work, although in the limited emails I have done, I get feedback from members that they do not want to be direct emailed. Thus posting in the online forum, is a very reasonable practice. Snail mailing has unacceptable costs.

Andrew Olson;10682 wrote: And to answer your question about how much money we should spend on OCIC and other regional events? I don't know. Maybe $10k, maybe nothing, maybe more, maybe less. How much should we spend on tools that 90% of the members will not use? What about trinkets? What about the website and hosting? What was the budget last year? What is the expected revenue for this year? Is it part of the mission?

I don't expect you to answer those questions, but these are the things I will be thinking about as we consider allocating the roughly $20k in annual dues the club receives and thinking about any reserves the club has.

Gary can provide you the costs of the 928 OC, $20k in annual dues has never happened, that is based on a presumption that the 600+ members have been renewing each year, as we advised that is a 50% increase in two years. Off the top of my heads, take $28*400 members of two years ago. The immediate cost is the shirt, duffle bag, etc. that is provided to each member. The cost, including shipping is kept to under 50% of the fee. So the result is that there was then $5600 to work with. That money was provided to events, like Frenzy, Sharktoberfest, SITM, Sharks in H*ll, Third Coast, etc. We have also bought a couple of tools, perhaps $1500 so far. Website hosting has remained a fixed cost, as it was before I became president, perhaps $500 per year including email filtering, etc.

Our treasurer, Gary Knox, who would be your treasurer if you win, has always wanted to keep close to $10k in reserve. The premises is that as the cars get older membership will drop off and the reserve will give the 928 OC board time to react with adjustments in programs as needed. I support this.

So, if you think you have a huge sum of money to spend, you are going to be wildly disappointed, as unless you dip into the reserve, there is typically only a few thousand of working capital at anytime, and any large event that we sponsor can deplete much of that. OCIC was $2800 and only 50 members benefited.

928mac;10690 wrote: I am still trying to understand why you bring that up now and how you did it with only 2 post

Now
Lets make something clear if you all want to keep posting on here.
If you have less then a 50-100 post its obvious that you do not spend a lot of time here.
To gain credibility on any forum its best to hang out and ask a few questions relating to the thread

If you come here and slam us with 2 post to your name you wont make many more.

I will not tolerate any rudeness.
You have been warned.

Brad,

In all due respect, can you explain to us why you perceive McLovin's Post pointing out "Data Points" with no personal attacks, as "Rudeness".. and Stan's very negative attacks on Andrew as "not rudeness".

IMHO, your post is exactly what is wrong with the OC. It has become some sort of "exclusive insiders club" with lots of back room secret deals and policy dictatorships.

Just as IMHO Stan being in position of complete control of the voting process, accounting of votes, this website, and this forum right down to the hosting company and servers, should remain neutral in this election cycle and not show favoritism, YOU as the "Moderator" of this Forum should also do the same...if a Moderator cannot stay neutral and not pick sides...he should NOT be the Moderator. Anything less in both cases IS an abuse of power.

Also buy your own new "Rule" of a 50-100 post count to "gain credibility", I guess our VP Marc White at 11 posts, our Trustee and Charter Member Wally Plumley at 20 Posts, our other Trustee and Multi-time OCIC Organizer Roger Tyson at 9 posts, our Secretary Greg Nichols at 4 Posts, our Treasury Gary Knox at 5 Posts, and me one of the Fouders at now 1 Post...should be on your version of "probation" here on the 928OC Forums....yeah, right, best of luck with that!

Maybe someone in Power here needs to give YOU a Warning.

Sincerely,

Mclovin;10684 wrote: Do you guys seriously think that the communication to the members on this site is up to par? No way in hell. I just went to the "Regions" tab to browse around. You have Jake Meyers listed as the contact for New Mexico even though he moved to Ohio. You still have Mel Ward listed for FL even though he asked to be replaced two years ago. If you click on the linked "website" next to the contact names you get another dissapointment. The link for the New England region takes you to a great set of pictures from a tech session held 10 years ago. TEN YEARS AGO!?!?!?! Seriously? The link next to Florida takes you to a page that invites you to an event that happened back in 2004 complete with bad contact info and dead hot links. The Mid Atlantic region takes you to a dead link that was hosted on Stan Shaws own servers, Excell.net. The exact same thing happens when you click on the one for South Carolina.

In the events section, the Sharks in the mountains is only covered up until 2009. The most current Frenzy info is from 2010. Third Coast is only current through 2006. Stan Shaw, the same guy who's trying to convince you that nothing needs to change is the one who is responsible for this website and it's contents. As Stan put it, if you want change, vote for Andrew Olson. If you want the same old out-dated info and dead links, by all means the status quo candidate is James Morrison.




Those events and posts you are referring to were submitted by the event organizers, since they have not submitted new ones, there are no new ones to post. Perhaps you want to volunteer to help them?

You suggest Andrew will get this information up to date, but in fact Andrew has previously stated that such work is "administration" and he has never specified it is what he expects to do.

As I have stated many times, volunteers are what we lack. So what can we sign you up for?

Mclovin;10686 wrote: While browsing around, I found one more thing. I'm sure there are plenty more. The "928 Journal" has two catergories. "928 Journal" and "928 Journal (old)" The NOT "old" one's newest posting is from 2005. The "old" one goes back before the turn of the century.

So apparently you signed up just to be a troll?
You are not a 928 OC member, right?
You are not offering to help, right?
You are simply pointing out what we all know, that more help is needed to do more.
Thank you for your insight